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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://agro.biodiver.se/2009/10/how-to-breed-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-817561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we need more data to answer the question about Coke/Pepsi niche differentiation:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070527_COKE_GRAPHIC.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we need more data to answer the question about Coke/Pepsi niche differentiation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070527_COKE_GRAPHIC.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070527_COKE_GRAPHIC.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice idea. 

Two related thoughts:

(1)  If mobile phones can be equipped with weather sensors (temperature/humidity/pressure) and if the data can be collected and mapped at no coast to the phone owner, this might provide an accurate and cheap weather forecasting system that is complementary to satellite data.

(2) Does Pepsi occupy a different ecological niche in Africa? We need to know the distribution densities of competing players in the African market. Would it be worthwhile to consider bottled water distribution as well, to reach urban farmers and gardeners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice idea. </p>
<p>Two related thoughts:</p>
<p>(1)  If mobile phones can be equipped with weather sensors (temperature/humidity/pressure) and if the data can be collected and mapped at no coast to the phone owner, this might provide an accurate and cheap weather forecasting system that is complementary to satellite data.</p>
<p>(2) Does Pepsi occupy a different ecological niche in Africa? We need to know the distribution densities of competing players in the African market. Would it be worthwhile to consider bottled water distribution as well, to reach urban farmers and gardeners?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://dtma.cimmyt.org/index.php/software

15 years of maize trial data from around the world....</description>
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<p>15 years of maize trial data from around the world&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to hear that you are working on the IBYAN data. The crop research community is so behind in publicly accumulating this type of data available (in a palatable manner). Show them the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear that you are working on the IBYAN data. The crop research community is so behind in publicly accumulating this type of data available (in a palatable manner). Show them the way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://agro.biodiver.se/2009/10/how-to-breed-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-816320</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, we have seen some of this work presented (I think?) and I think it is very necessary.

In the future, I think much breeding should be crowdsourced to farmers. 

Forget about Fisherian statistics, &quot;stability&quot; (without reference to the environmental conditions themselves!) and that kind of nonsense :-).

This is my recipe:

Step 1. Stick two little bags of crop seeds with unique codes on every bottle of Coke in Africa. Add a little explanation on the bottle and also spread the message through local radiostations.

Step 2. Farmers grow the seeds and then send their opinions with their mobile telephones, sending just the code of the winning seeds. Organize a lottery to provide an incentive. Also get the location of every SMS message from the GSM network (or a GPS coordinate -- with newer phones). 

Step 3. Link the data with environmental data (remote sensing, interpolated wheather station data, soil data). Delete double entries (the codes are unique, and both varieties cannot be best at the same time.) Then separate the signal from the noise using machine learning. Get info on variety performance in space.

Step 4. Based on the outcomes of Step 3, send variety suggestions for seeds to the mobile phones of all farmers who participated (and suggesting where they may buy them).

Step 5. Do the lottery and send out your free boxes of Coke. Take pictures for the newspaper and agro.biodiver.se.

Step 6. Define a new group of varieties and where they should be evaluated based on the outcomes of Step 3. 

Step 7. Go to step 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, we have seen some of this work presented (I think?) and I think it is very necessary.</p>
<p>In the future, I think much breeding should be crowdsourced to farmers. </p>
<p>Forget about Fisherian statistics, &#8220;stability&#8221; (without reference to the environmental conditions themselves!) and that kind of nonsense <img src='http://agro.biodiver.se/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>This is my recipe:</p>
<p>Step 1. Stick two little bags of crop seeds with unique codes on every bottle of Coke in Africa. Add a little explanation on the bottle and also spread the message through local radiostations.</p>
<p>Step 2. Farmers grow the seeds and then send their opinions with their mobile telephones, sending just the code of the winning seeds. Organize a lottery to provide an incentive. Also get the location of every SMS message from the GSM network (or a GPS coordinate &#8212; with newer phones). </p>
<p>Step 3. Link the data with environmental data (remote sensing, interpolated wheather station data, soil data). Delete double entries (the codes are unique, and both varieties cannot be best at the same time.) Then separate the signal from the noise using machine learning. Get info on variety performance in space.</p>
<p>Step 4. Based on the outcomes of Step 3, send variety suggestions for seeds to the mobile phones of all farmers who participated (and suggesting where they may buy them).</p>
<p>Step 5. Do the lottery and send out your free boxes of Coke. Take pictures for the newspaper and agro.biodiver.se.</p>
<p>Step 6. Define a new group of varieties and where they should be evaluated based on the outcomes of Step 3. </p>
<p>Step 7. Go to step 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are sorting through the IBYAN data now. Should be up within a couple of months.....RE environmental conditions at trials sights, you are absolutely right. It is scary how poor those data are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are sorting through the IBYAN data now. Should be up within a couple of months&#8230;..RE environmental conditions at trials sights, you are absolutely right. It is scary how poor those data are.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are right, I really misread your comment. I can be terribly dyslectic before having coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are right, I really misread your comment. I can be terribly dyslectic before having coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, then we agree, multi-locational field trials are expensive and difficult. One of the most stunning features of those trials -I believe- is that when they are conducted, many researchers do not bother to actually measure the environmental conditions at the sites during the trial (weather, soil water status). The other problem is assuring that such data accumulate into accessible databases over time, as Dave Wood referred to. Are those IBYAN data available somehow/somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, then we agree, multi-locational field trials are expensive and difficult. One of the most stunning features of those trials -I believe- is that when they are conducted, many researchers do not bother to actually measure the environmental conditions at the sites during the trial (weather, soil water status). The other problem is assuring that such data accumulate into accessible databases over time, as Dave Wood referred to. Are those IBYAN data available somehow/somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring to the relative costs. Yes, the cost of genotyping (biotech) is plummeting, meaning it will depend less and less on trends in ag research funding. Phenotyping costs have probably risen in over the last 15 years or so,  just because the experiment stations have declined, due to declining investments in national ag research systems (NARS). In CIAT, we used to have a full time person who did nothing but send out seeds and then organize the results when the agronomists at the experiment stations sent them back (e.g. Int&#039;l Bean Yield Adaptation Nursery - IBYAN - from 1975-1995). CG centers did that on core funds in the past. Nowadays grant funding is the norm.   

If the breeding program has a robust multi-location trial program, isn&#039;t phenotyping the most expensive part of a breeding program?  Especially for public research that depends on NARS (and in places with less commercial interest)? The seed, DHL, the agronomist to conduct the trial, all the infrastructure of the experiment station - the total costs for all involved it is not insubstantial. 

I know of a breeding program that is doing great work, but funding constraints meant they had to decide what to cut. They scaled back phenotyping. Because their NARS partners would need too much support. This is especially true when you are evaluating traits other than yield -- traits that need special trial management (e.g. drought tolerance) or a high level of phenotyping skill.  But, man, with their fancy biotech labs, they sure can genotype!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to the relative costs. Yes, the cost of genotyping (biotech) is plummeting, meaning it will depend less and less on trends in ag research funding. Phenotyping costs have probably risen in over the last 15 years or so,  just because the experiment stations have declined, due to declining investments in national ag research systems (NARS). In CIAT, we used to have a full time person who did nothing but send out seeds and then organize the results when the agronomists at the experiment stations sent them back (e.g. Int&#8217;l Bean Yield Adaptation Nursery &#8211; IBYAN &#8211; from 1975-1995). CG centers did that on core funds in the past. Nowadays grant funding is the norm.   </p>
<p>If the breeding program has a robust multi-location trial program, isn&#8217;t phenotyping the most expensive part of a breeding program?  Especially for public research that depends on NARS (and in places with less commercial interest)? The seed, DHL, the agronomist to conduct the trial, all the infrastructure of the experiment station &#8211; the total costs for all involved it is not insubstantial. </p>
<p>I know of a breeding program that is doing great work, but funding constraints meant they had to decide what to cut. They scaled back phenotyping. Because their NARS partners would need too much support. This is especially true when you are evaluating traits other than yield &#8212; traits that need special trial management (e.g. drought tolerance) or a high level of phenotyping skill.  But, man, with their fancy biotech labs, they sure can genotype!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s cool, but if with &quot;phenotyping&quot; you mean &quot;evaluation&quot;, i.e., &quot;growing out varieties in different places/seasons and measuring their performance (yield and other things)&quot;, how is it that this is cheaper then genotyping? Can you elaborate? Even if you do it &quot;on-farm&quot; there are still considerable costs associated with it, I would think. With prices of biotech plummeting, entire genebanks will probably be sequenced soon. And how is that the cost of genotyping is affected by funding for ag. research. All you need is a little money, seed, and DHL to send it to a company that will process the seeds for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s cool, but if with &#8220;phenotyping&#8221; you mean &#8220;evaluation&#8221;, i.e., &#8220;growing out varieties in different places/seasons and measuring their performance (yield and other things)&#8221;, how is it that this is cheaper then genotyping? Can you elaborate? Even if you do it &#8220;on-farm&#8221; there are still considerable costs associated with it, I would think. With prices of biotech plummeting, entire genebanks will probably be sequenced soon. And how is that the cost of genotyping is affected by funding for ag. research. All you need is a little money, seed, and DHL to send it to a company that will process the seeds for you.</p>
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