- Bees? We don’t need no stinkin’ bees.
- “…a distinct product of America…”
- Friesians? We don’t need no stinkin’ Friesians.
- Kenya tests for Ug99 resistance.
- Iceland’s horses walk funny.
- Neanderthals ate snails.
- Bear meat? We don’t need no stinkin’ bear meat.
- Organic agriculture in China gets NPR treatment, survives.
- Rice? We don’t need no stinkin’ rice.
Ayshrires are of Dutch descent, according to this Wikipedia article. (Info given by a Scottish guy from the area, by the way.)
In Holland, roodbont cows are making a comeback, too.
@Jacob – But the Wikipedia article states clearly that they are Scottish, bred by the Dunlops of that ilk from stock that came from Holland.
Friesans, on the other hand …
Yep, just wanted to say that not only stinking cows come from Holland. Lakenvelders are my favourite (nice picture here).
Talking about what Obama should do with the garden of his new residence: no more Holsteins around the White House!
“Of that ilk” meaning “of that place,” the place being Dunlop? Is that correct? Damn Scottish titles.
Not quite. It means “of the same,” so in the context of the original piece Jacob linked to, it means the Dunlops of the Dunlops, which may well be meaningless. Alas, the House of Dunlop web site offers no insights into the family’s role in the development of the Ayrshire breed. On the other hand, it has all sorts of other goodies.
I think you’re wrong, Jeremy. Wikipedia says that ilk in Scottish always refers to a place.
It seems you’re not the first to make this mistake, Jeremy.
So the ilk is “Dunlop” not “Dunlops”, because “Dunlops” obviously means “members of the Dunlop family” here. There is a 13th century family name “Dunlop de Dunlop”, later converted to “Dunlop of that Ilk” or “Dunlop of Dunlop”, all synonymous. It seems that only later the “of Dunlop” part was dropped.
Wikipedia also says: “The last of the Dunlop to be born at Dunlop were John (1904) and Alexander (1906) Houison Crawfurd. Mrs. Houison Crawfurd is remembered for producing the first tubercular-free cattle in Ayrshire.”
The same article confirms that “Dunlop Cattle are supposed to have originated here or within the parish, bred by Dunlop of that Ilk from improved stock from Holland in around 1550 to 1700 or later.” And the Dunlop of that Ilk lived in This statement has a bibliographic reference.
A woman married into the Dunlop family, Barbara Gilmour is famous for inventing Dunlop cheese.
It is surprising then, that the “Dunlop of Dunlop” coat of arms has no cow or cheese in it, but a double-headed eagle.
@Jacob – I’m not going to get into the whole “of that ilk” debate, let alone the infallibility of Wikipedia. I would just say that the etymology I have found (like here) suggests that it means same. In the context of Scottish landed gentry, where it is all but impossible to decide which came first, the family name or the location that family occupied, it is often taken to indicate the head of the family.
But thanks for digging up all the other references to the agricultural practices of the Dunlops.
I’m lost.